Thread:5sides/@comment-29795609-20161228090431/@comment-28829111-20161228111412

I get them on the old game mostly but do get some pieces on the iPad as well. Yes, your "power", the room charge, and the room mode all interact to produce the result. For me, as an accountant my value seems to be #3 (or was on pre-treasury version and I am still playing around on iPad), Red Star = 1, Blue Star = 2 and Joker = 4 as best I could tell.

So with a certain room mode, if a Red Star charged you then you would get an item from collection set 1, me as an accountant would get item 3 of that set. Some rooms it was ABC mode that this worked. Example, I would position the map in the first spot after the green arrow on the left (the candle would be on the right side end). If it was ABC mode (not night), and a red star had charged my room I would typically win the pick axe. (Red Star = 1 in this case the first set in the series per the position I set; and me as accountant would get 3rd item). BUT this is all about the math. So the room COULD deliver the candlestick as well I noted (the game was giving me Red Star 1 PLUS Accountant 3 = 4 - the fourth item in the set was the candle stick). But if I wanted to try for the detector (in old game I could only get this if a joker charged me or if I win it in a chest) that would be the fifth item....so I might get it with a blue star charge as they are a "2" in ABC mode 2+3=5th item in the window BUT I would have to set the position NOT to the map but to the set prior to the map. The game would give me the 2nd set in the window if a blue ranger charged me....does that make sense??

So now with the new game I have not had time to just sit and record to see all the patterns. But since "random" is all just math and some philosophers debate randomness...I believe each room had the potential to deliver specific items if one takes the time to "see" the patterns.

Back to the Ancient Cards....again, I have not done testing and recording of the rooms, but...I seem to recall to win the blue lightning if I positioned the window at the right place with the right room mode i would get it. I rarely can win the trident or spear, however. Probably because I cannot figure out the settings in this new game. But IF an accountant still holds a value of 3 I *might* try to put the scroll window at the tarot card set. Assuming the count ...Tarot cards are Set 1 now, books = set 2 and Zeus olymipians set = 3. In the new game it seems to me that the value I hold is what determines the SET and the value of the room charge now determines the item number within that set. Basically the opposite of the pre-treasury version. Also (and I think Linka pointed this out??) there seems to be an interplay with the time you finish. So if I set the scroll window to a tarot card in the first position, AND I win the AC game with seconds remaining and NO use of tools, AND I have the SS running...I seem to win a piece from that set. But not always so clearly I am missing a piece - but I do tend to win when a red star charges me.

And lastly - if you HIRE someone that also interplays with the math. I have very detailed notes for the old game so I can try to win what I need. Hiring can supercede a position - either the Set or the Item within the set or whether you add this value to the room charge....it gets super complicated and this is where random comes in to play. The math behind the programming for some modes gives you an item in the set prior to where you are, ahead of where you are or can add the values as best I can tell.

For Morph mode I noticed in some rooms it tends to issue an item after the green arrow or before depending on the room and your value. So it might issue me the third item after the green arrow on the right. The bottom line is each room has programming for each mode/player/friend - charger or hire and these values interplay. Best for you would be to write down where you position the scroll, what the room charge was, and count to the item you won.

In the AC. If you position the window to show the fountain, AND you win the play, No using the eye glass tool...Look at what you win. Say it is the Star Tarot card...That tells you that you won an item from Collection Set 2 because whatever is in the starting position is Collection 1 (in this case the set with the fountain) and you won the 2nd item in the set because the Star card is the 2nd item....it might mean that you as a blue ranger are a value of two and the room charge if it was also a blue ranger = 2. OR it could mean the room mode gave you the 2nd item after the green arrow.

I'll try to discern more patterns in 2017 but as I figure them out Mytona changes them. i had just nailed many of the postions for the old pre-treasury game when the update came. So I know more of them on the old game.

For the new version if one chooses not to position the scroll window each play and just leave it where it is in the very first spot I noticed it does seem to change which item it gives if you continuously play the room (in a row) but I have not won anything from the fishing set or the Olympian set this way at all. The exception might be if I used a dispeller...I seem to recall I was issued the lure once with a Metronome (and I don't think I had moved the scroll window....)

I find it all intriguing to look for the patterns but others might find it too time consuming to write down every play and every scroll window postion, every charge....I love math...always have. Love patterns.....