Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32898819-20170925001259/@comment-28829111-20170925013420

based on this http://seekers-notes.wikia.com/wiki/Hot_on_the_Trail it makes me think the only way these items will show up is via a chest purchase (rare, antique), chest won (antique) or from Visits. In all these ways you could be old and grey before the exact two come up.